PROTECT MORNINGSIDE GREENSPACES UNVEILS WEB SITE SUPPORTING EFFORTS TO PRESERVE SOUTH FORK PEACHTREE CREEK
News Release
Atlanta, Georgia - January 24, 2013: Protect Morningside Greenspaces (PMG), a neighborhood advocacy group formed to contest overdevelopment of the South Fork Peachtree Creek corridor, has invited the public to view information on its web site, www.noconnectedtrails.com.
PMG members, all residents of Morningside-Lenox Park, place a high priority on preservation of wetlands, animal habitat, and human safety along the South Fork corridor. They oppose connected trail development plans of South Fork Conservancy, an outside special interest group determined to ignore how their plan would damage the creek corridor and surrounding neighborhoods, ignore overwhelming neighbor opposition to the connected trail proposal, and direct huge funds to a poorly conceived project (as documented at the PMG web site).
Protect Morningside Greenspaces is a group of concerned neighbors dedicated to promoting a clear and transparent process for evaluating the South Fork Conservancy (SFC) recreational connected trail plan – a process that takes into account neighborhood issues and concerns, and relies on fact-based decision-making. PMG seeks to preserve the South Fork creek corridor against poorly planned development including damaging connected trails. Additional information on these issues can be found at www.noconnectedtrails.com.
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Contact information:
Charles Bayless
charles.bayless@gmail.com
Catherine Owen
8:33 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
This article makes it sound like this is a group of concerned neighbors and South Fork Conservancy is some kind of "outside" interest group. This couldn't be further from the truth. I am a neighbor along the trail corridor and I'm thrilled and excited about the trail network. I also enthusiastically support South Fork Conservancy. They are leading the charge to turn blighted areas near my house into protected greenspace. And I'm all for that!
Kuntry Joe
7:15 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
The truth is that 100% of the members of PMG are concerned neighbors and some of the members of SFC are concerned neighbors, but 100% of the leadership at SFC are NOT Morningside residents.
I can appreciate that you are "thrilled and excited" about having some new trails to explore and I agree that trails between I-85 and Cheshire Bridge would improve some "blighted areas", but more trails in Morningside are only going to displace the deer, opossums, ducks, herons, etc.that distinguish our neighborhood with their presence. Can you appreciate that?
Sally Sears
8:48 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
Thanks, Catherine. Sad that a member of the steering committee for the Park Pride success in engaging neighbors engages in name calling. Others who live along the creek spend their time helping remove invasive privet. Turns out the real "outside interest group" turns out to be invasive non-native plants. Let's work together to restore the creek instead of slamming each other. Sally Sears, South Fork Conservancy, neighborhood resident.
Jeff Young
3:38 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Ms. Sears, Clearly, you don't want to engage in a reasoned debate on this issue. When you wrote "let's work together" you forgot to add "so long as we do it my way."
If your real concern was removing invasive non-native plants, would you be spending all this time and effort raising money to build expensive bridges and a 31 mile trail?
Tammy
9:03 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
I can't wait for these trails. I think they will be an excellent addition to our neighborhood and will help with the connectivity that is so sorely lacking.
Charles
10:20 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
Sally, with due respect, there is no name calling and no slamming. SFC is a ten board member group none of whom, as far as we are aware, including yourself, live in Morningside. For some unknown reason, SFC has a special interest in developing trails through our neighborhood. Hence SFC is an outside special interest group.
The Park Pride Visioning process made plain that the SFC recreational connected trails proposal was contentious and not well aligned with the interests and desires of the neighborhood resident participants. A fact which Park Pride acknowledged in the final report when it recommends that SFC actions should take into account those communities that elected to opt out of the connected trails plan, i.e. most of northern Morningside.
PMG is not claiming that there is no local support. What we are saying is that that support is in a minority. Based on the Park Pride Visioning meetings and the surveys conducted it appears that there are perhaps a couple of dozen local resident supporters of the concept of connected trails. That is counterbalanced by the hundred or so local residents who are on record as opposing the trails.
Charles
10:21 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
Many PMG members are also involved in various local conservation activities and are very supportive of conservation. In fact, our commitment to conservation was one of the chief sticking points in the Park Pride visioning process. We asked SFC and Bob Kerr in particular whether SFC would be interested in helping the neighborhood to continue and expand conservation activities without building a connected trail and the answer was that SFC would not do conservation work unless it was in the context of building a trail.
There are real issues of wildlife conservation, ecological preservation, community security, and neighborhood quality of life which need to be addressed. Many members of the community believe that a recreational connected trail does not address those issues and in fact there is much empirical evidence from similar projects elsewhere to suggest that the plan will make those issues worse. What we are seeking is a formal, open, impartial, fact-based, community review of a detailed connected trail proposal and that no actions be taken until there is a consensus or majority support for that proposal. That would seem a simple and reasonable request. What we have right now is a nebulous plan that will cost a lot of taxpayer money, and which all the documentary evidence indicates will inescapably reduce local wildlife, damage the local ecology, worsen neighborhood safety and security and worsen several already existing neighborhood quality-of-life issues.
Charles
10:21 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
If SFC is willing to focus only on helping the community improve conservation without connecting trails or if SFC is willing to support a formal public review of a detailed recreational connected trails proposal, we can easily make good progress.
JM Hurricane
11:36 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
I see that Georgia Hawk everywhere. That's the same kat that rules over Piedmont Park.
Samuel Inman
11:49 am on Friday, January 25, 2013
Thanks for the lack of vision, Protect Morningside Greenspaces (PMG). Just the sort of narrow minded thinking that's helping make Atlanta a second rate city.
Charles
12:59 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
This is not a matter of lack of vision. This is wanting whatever we do with our scarce resources (tax money and vanishing greenspace) to be well done and well-thought through. If it meets those criteria, then it is likely to be supported by the affected community.
I suspect most of us do not consider Atlanta a second rate city (see the recent AJC article http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/metro-atlantans-have-many-complaints-but-love-thei/nTmRR/) but improved community decision-making can only help make things even better. Not sure I see the basis for opposing good community decision-making.
Kuntry Joe
7:01 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Mr. Inman's post is a perfect example of what Sally Sears refers to as "neighbors engaging in name-calling".
Jeff Young
3:19 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Mr. Inman, Sorry you think Atlanta is second rate. What does tend to pull it down is a constant adherence to "develop now, consider the impact later." If you think the SFC connected trails are a de minimis development, please check the resources noted on the PMG web site to learn what the impact would be.
Catherine Owen
12:11 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
The PMG website is lovely, and it is bullshit. This is the same kind of thinking that kept MARTA out of Cobb County.
Tammy
12:41 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
If we have trails through our neighborhoods who might use them? Probably thieves, that's who! Much better to walk on the nonexistent sidewalks. Think of the children!
Charles
1:00 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Glad that you enjoyed the lovely website. Regarding the balance of your comment, are you indicating that there is anything factually incorrect on the site? If so, please identify it and we will correct it. If your comment is simply that you interpret the implications of the facts differently, then certainly you are entitled to that opinion.
Carol Almond
12:43 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
An important point: A segment of the trail proposed by the South Fork Conservancy throughout the "Visioning Process" is on private property.
Mary McCallum
1:12 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
If believing that development ought not to occur along a precious natural resource in our neighborhood without a thoughtful open discussion and consensus of the impacted neighbors and that the development should not be a waste of public funds and should not be dangerous nor damage the wetland and wildlife in our neighborhood ; then I am proudly narrow minded. Atlanta has been a beautiful, green tree lined city, but it won't be if development is unrestrained. Every idea is not necessarily a good idea and I believe that connected trails along the South Fork of Peachtree Creek is a particularly bad idea.
Barbara Baggerman
2:57 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
As a hands-on steward of Morningside's Johnson-Taylor Nature Preserve for 20 years, past President of the Rock Creek Watershed Alliance, and member of the South Fork Conservancy steering committee participating in the Park Pride Visioning process for the trail proposal, I must question PMG's statements regarding
neighborhood opinion.
As with most issues of this type, the opposition tends to be relatively small and localized, but very passionate and vocal. Supporters and those who don't care either way tend to be more silent and invisible.
Most of the people who showed up at the public meetings on this matter last year were a small segment of the neighborhood, perhaps several dozen people, who live directly adjacent to the creek and oppose a trail near their property. The vast majority of the rest of the neighborhood did not show up. Had they been opposed, they most likely would have been there, but they weren't because they either support the idea or don't care.
So while 90% of participants at the final meeting may have been opposed, they were perhaps only about 5% of the neighborhood. And while 68% of survey respondents may have been opposed, the response rate for the survey was only 29%, and the survey did not cover the entire neighborhood. Please note I've not verified these numbers cited by PMG, but the point is that these statistics are misleading. There is some opposition, but it is far from "overwhelming."
Barbara Baggerman
2:58 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
When I encounter people around the 'hood, almost all say they like the idea of a trail (even some people who live adjacent to it). So my experience and gut instinct tell me there is more support than opposition.
While I do have concerns, I like the idea of a natural-surface connecting footpath. I do not want a 12-ft-wide paved path in a 30-ft wide clear-cut strip like the PATH Foundation builds; that's overkill. I am given pause by the situation in Dunwoody where one type of trail was approved by the people, then modified by the govt. to something larger once approval was given. That ain't fair, folks. But I see no harm in proceeding with trail improvements in some of the downstream segments near Cheshire Bridge and the highway overpass where they already have neighborhood support. We can watch, learn from their experience, and modify as needed. Proceed with caution.
Charles
3:14 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
Barb,
I agree - Proceed with caution. PMG has no opposition to activities over by Cheshire Bridge. Those communities can support or oppose as they wish.
But that is not the situation with which we are dealing. SFC is seeking grants and funding from both DeKalb and the State to develop the trails along the creek in northern Morningside and that is the area we are focusing on - Morningside Nature Preserve, east along the creek through Zonolite and Johnson Taylor Nature Preserve and on to Emory.
Our concern is that SFC has sought to proceed with their plan without any public review of costs and consequences. If the majority of the neighborhood wants to endorse recreational connected trails, then so be it. However, all the empirical data such as participation at the public meetings and the auditable survey in the summer of the 300 homes in the immediate vicinity of the proposed path, all indicate that there is overwhelming opposition and little support. The figures aren't misleading. They are what they are until some other empirical objective means of determining neighborhood sentiment has been conducted. It doesn't do any good to speculate that there might be silent support, just as it doesn't do any good to speculate that there might be even greater opposition. Speculation doesn't get us anywhere.
Charles
3:15 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013
We need some mechanism to determine what is being proposed, how it will impact the community and some independent means to assess neighborhood support or opposition. That doesn't exist and that is what we believe should happen before SFC proceeds with developing trails in the community. In the meantime, the only facts we have, the participation in the Park Pride public meetings and the auditable survey of the immediate neighborhood all indicate majority opposition.
And yes, absent some public, transparent, fact-based, inclusive review, bait-and-switch such as happened in Dunwoody is a real and present danger. We already have an example of the risk: putting trails through Johnson Taylor was taken off the table during the Park Pride Visioning process but now it is part of the grant application SFC is making to the state.
Jeff Young
3:31 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Ms. Baggerman, Thank you for your opposition to paved paths through this watershed and your caution about how a governmental body in conjunction with an interest group can trick neighbors. I have no problem with neighbor-approved trail development along some parts of the creek. All justifiable goals, in my view, can be achieved at reasonable cost without connecting a 31 mile trail. SFC wants to focus on one of the most expensive sections through an important wildlife habitat.
I cannot agree with your characterization of neighbor support. You have first hand knowledge of some neighbors who have given you their view, and first hand knowledge of "several dozen people" at open meetings who oppose the SFC plan. When several dozen people show up for a public meeting on one side of an issue, that's a ton of opposition. Furthermore, I regret that the auditable survey and contacts we have had with neighbors in opposition don't allow us to put any weight in your "gut instinct."
Jeff Young
3:42 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
Since our announcement unveiling the PMG web site, I have been waiting to see if anyone from SFC would substantively address the thoroughly reasoned positions and impressive factual sources you will find if you visit the PMG web site. But no, and at first you might think that it’s the few pro-SFC commenters who are the small, but loud minority.
However, SFC all along has chosen to work behind the scenes, as though they were trained in Washington politics. They don’t want to face up to neighbor concerns, or new academic research on trails, or even have to provide half-detailed specifications to justify the cost and impact of their grandiose scheme. Could it be they know how to obtain funding and approvals the political way, without the bothersome public? Could it be they know what is good for the rest of us and just need us to shut up? What country is this?
Here is an example. SFC managed to get DeKalb County to file a grant application with the State without any public hearing, telling the County Commission that the community supports the SFC connected trail plan, and seeking funds for connecting Zonolite park to their other proposed trails. This contradicted what SFC told MLPA, that connecting trails were not part of the Zonolite work. And, SFC did not tell the Commission or the State about the negative feedback acknowledged in the Park Pride Report. (continued)
Jeff Young
3:43 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013
At that MLPA meeting, PMG’s position was that we would not oppose work confined to Zonolite that was not for connecting to the larger SFC trail plan, if that was the result of an open process involving the impacted neighbors and businesses. Did we feel snookered by the DeKalb grant application? You bet.
So what I say to SFC is: let’s debate this out in the open and have the same sort of dialog we all now expect when the use of property is taken up a notch, whether it’s a for condo, or a road widening, or a re-zoning, or a trail. PMG will keep on sharing facts with decision makers and impacted neighbors until that happens.